Driving my Ventec (pure HPV) to Spezi 2025

As many of you know, I have been building a second plywood vélomobile since last year, the time has come to move it out of the shadows :giggle:

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Having driven an Agilo to Spezi in 2023 and then to the French vélomobile meeting the same year it became clear to me that vélomobile touring is something that I enjoy a lot. My Agilo was of course a pedelec and the only vélomobile I had ever driven. On the way to Spezi 2023 I drove a considerable number of km every day with an empty battery and so that was when the idea was born of a pure HPV trip across the country. Something lighter and faster was needed, enter the Ventec, the second DIY vélomobile plan from Bodo Sitko.

Why did it take so long to build?

This is a very easy build, easier than the Agilo, I am retired so nobody is asking me to build faster. I took my time. I procrastinated. :rolleyes: And one had already been built and driven every day to work by a young guy in Germany since January so no "first builder" pressure on my shoulders this time.

How much does it weigh?

In that photo 26 kg, just like it says on the web page! Inside, out of sight, there is a Ventisit (330 grams) and on the seat the lights and wiring which are not mounted yet. It does not have the lighter GoCycle front tires which are on their way from NL nor the elastomers on the struts. It has a Shimano 105 crankset and not a Rotor 50-34 that is 400 grams lighter*. And I have a heavier 11-46 10 speed MTB cassette. The sliding 1 mm polycarbonate roof adds another 650 grams, I am planning on a 488 gram 0.75 mm polycarbonate roof.

It will be painted, in fact...


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It is already primed, 200 grams of primer before sanding and the interior was of course varnished. I estimate that it will weigh less than 28.5 kg ready to drive (so with things that are often not included in the weights one reads here on the forum).

Have you driven it yet?

Yes I have, it is so far a dream come true! Remember that I have gained over 20 kg compared to my Agilo (which was overweight it must be said). It climbs the 3% gradient up to the apartment at 23-24 km/h!!!! :love: Who needs a motor? :LOL: Because the centre of gravity is much lower and the track is still 70 cm wide it corners like on rails. The turning circle is 8 metres, measured on the parking lot. The wide CF tiller is fabulous in use, soooo comfortable! Because of similar weight, same 26" rear wheel, similar seat angle it reminded me of my Azub trike, very sporty, but the drive train is much more positive feeling (because of the 2 idlers?). During the test drives the windscreen was not mounted and yet it was already quite fast despite the huge air braking effect of the front roof. And me being in testing mode I was not exerting much force on the pedals.

So now that the principle questions have already been asked, and answered :giggle: I will continue finishing then more testing, training etc. The hardest part of the route to Germany is the first few km and that is where I will be driving as soon as the paint is dry and we are back downstairs in the bicycle garage. So far my testing of the gearing has been positive, I can start from a stop on the 14% gradient just here in front of the apartment. Of course that also needs to be tested with all the camping equipment etc on board...

Still lots to do before April!

* the Rotor costs 1€ per gram saved with the Black Friday 60% discount, I was tempted...
 
I think that you @Schrau-Bär have already seen a naked Ventec body up close? :sneaky: The weather is nice but a little too cold for painting on the terrasse, pictures in the very photogenic Basque Country will follow when real road testing begins.

On the other hand I have already started planning for April. Last time I drove 8 days and rested 2 days, this time I have planned for an 8 day trip and if I want a rest day I have to earn it by driving more km the days before. 1270 km / 8 = 159 km/day or an average of 20 km/h for 8 hours. In Agilo the average was in the high 26 km/h. About the same as you @bebauchterbiker if I remember your driving report correctly?

Between now and April a lot of things can happen. Adding a motor will not be one of those things but as I am in my 7th decade the human engine could be a weak link. Touching wood, I am feeling fine and the idea of moving 20 kg less across the country has me pretty excited. :giggle:
 
Good to finally see the endresult, and i can't imagine why you would hide it from us for so long. It looks great. (y)Weight saving does a lot for speed and climbing abilities, as does a stiff construction. Perhaps that is improved a bit also in this newer model.

Good to read about your touring plans.

My touring is mostly 1-2 days out and back with the velomobile. With that i often find myself in unfamiliar places, and try to take a different Route out than back. I find that optimizing the routing can make a substancial difference, in the speed of traveling, distances that can be covered in certain time. Sometimes there are cyclingroutes to be found that provide very nice cycling, in France the Velo verts come in to mind, those often follow old railtracks without steep climbing, they flow very good sometimes. But have stupid bits to, like when i had to use the irrigation tunnel turned in to cyclepath under the road next to the old railroad. On the other hand some cycling routes are full of gates, gravelpaths, or way to narrow or curvy for fine Velomobile use. Watching youtube video's of people using/traveling those tracks sometimes give very good info.
 
I still don't fully understand the concept of the Ventec, so I'm really looking forward to reading about your experiences. It looks like you did well on the building process.
 
Thanks a lot for keeping us posted!

Regarding pictures: I just checked the side
and there a few further ones, isn’t it?

Yes there are a couple of construction photos in the animated image at the bottom of the page.

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Parked in front of the daikon radish and mitsuba pots :giggle:

@Niko this is a real touring vélomobile, Agilo is more of a daily driver. The driving position is more recumbent, the seat is literally the diameter of the chain tubes above the floor so a very low CG. With Ventec you only lose the large storage space above the rear wheel, the side compartments are slightly narrower but longer so all my camping gear fits without a problem.

- Agilo 80 cm track, Ventec 70 cm
- Agilo one idler pulley, Ventec 2 idler pulleys
- Agilo is 1120 mm high, Ventec 913 mm
- Agilo 3 x 20" wheels, Ventec 20" front and 26" rear (a 25-584 will fit)

The components are the same, both can have 50-406 front tyres but Agilo has a smaller turning circle. Where I live what I like the most about Ventec is that on days like today I can drive open and the large opening makes it easy to get in and out. Agilo is really destined to be built as a pedelec with hub gear, those are optional on the Ventec. Both have through ventilation and excellent forwards visibility...
 
Good to finally see the endresult, and i can't imagine why you would hide it from us for so long. It looks great. (y)Weight saving does a lot for speed and climbing abilities, as does a stiff construction. Perhaps that is improved a bit also in this newer model.

Good to read about your touring plans.

My touring is mostly 1-2 days out and back with the velomobile. With that i often find myself in unfamiliar places, and try to take a different Route out than back. I find that optimizing the routing can make a substancial difference, in the speed of traveling, distances that can be covered in certain time. Sometimes there are cyclingroutes to be found that provide very nice cycling, in France the Velo verts come in to mind, those often follow old railtracks without steep climbing, they flow very good sometimes. But have stupid bits to, like when i had to use the irrigation tunnel turned in to cyclepath under the road next to the old railroad. On the other hand some cycling routes are full of gates, gravelpaths, or way to narrow or curvy for fine Velomobile use. Watching youtube video's of people using/traveling those tracks sometimes give very good info.

Soon I will post my BRouter route here. The major change compared to last time is that despite telling everyone that crossing Bordeaux is a pain in the rear I will attempt it (I am retired, I have the time...). Then north to Cognac just above which you turn right and rejoin last years route at Civray.

I have about 4000 km touring experience now and have learnt to stay off cycle tracks in France unless they are ones I know. I have also learnt not to trust BRouter "shortcuts" and stick to main roads as far as possible. The canal paths in the east are going to be much more fun this time with a lighter and faster Ventec.
 
I think that you @Schrau-Bär have already seen a naked Ventec body up close?
Yes I did. I also had the chance to step inside and have a seat. The view to the outside is fantastic.
And I like that sleek line of the ventec's front to shoulder panels very much.
So if you and Bodo don't mind, I would really appreciate some pictures of the building.
 
I really don't think that they are necessary. Bodo will tell me if he wants them published.

My reasoning is the building process is similar to the Agilo and in that building thread there are lots of photos:

- the design is different but not the construction methods
- I have taken some liberties so my Ventec is not a typical Ventec build - keyword "ultralight"
- building Agilo I spent a lot of time documenting the build, this time I wanted to spend more time documenting the result - the thread here is about my project, driving across a large EU country pure HPV in my 7th decade in a vélomobile I built from plywood in my living room.

Anyone who buys the plan (I am in contact with a few via personal messages) and who see the few photos published will understand how things go together. If they have questions that are not answered by the drawings in the plan or by the designer they can ask me. I did that with Agilo already, I have no personal interest other than having a maximum number of self built wooden vélomobiles on the road, a political thing :unsure:

Executive summary:

I have no financial interests in this. It is my retirement hobby. The Agilo build was about having a means of transport, the Spezi voyage in Agilo was an accident, it was never supposed to happen.
 
The .GPX file for the first day - option 1, the motorway route. It is straight, flat and smooth in the section that I drove in 2023.

The first 10 km have the most complicated hill to climb, not the climb in Bidart, that one is just long, steep and annoying. Between the train station in Biarritz and the airport there is a deviation for vélos and it has 1-2 (?) hundred metres of stupid steep and narrow road. Cars can't pass and without a motor I will be at walking speed... :( Of course BRouter calculates the average over 1 km and doesn't even mark that section in red... I could just ignore the sign and take the direct route over the bridge, without too much traffic I think I would be slowed to about 20 km/h at the top because the run down leading to it will be 70 km/h.

All of the other sections marked as 1-3% are exactly that gradient and present no major problems without e-assist. The longest is 2 km long.

The camping ground has a 12.50€ bike tourist rate (y)

Option 2 is the classic 160 km trip to the lakes and maybe a little beyond.

BRouter fast vélomobile gives me an average speed of 34.4 km/h, with Agilo on the first part of that route I was in the high 27 km/h average. It will be exciting to see if the superior aerodynamics* of Ventec and the much lighter weight will allow me to reach that fast VM average. Taking a full 8 hours driving time puts the average speed at 25 km/h which I think I can manage :giggle:

* smaller frontal area, closed rear and floor, CF disks on front wheels...
 

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Since I mounted the CCUs on the Alexrims MD25 I have been worried about punctures on the road. If you followed my journey in 2023 you will remember that on the day I left Germany to return to France I had 4 (four) punctures! :oops:

So new GoCycles arrived and have been mounted, they go on much easier. They are also faster, weigh less and are reasonably puncture resistant. The puncture I had in 2023 at the rear (GoCycle) left a 2 mm cut in the thick part of the tyre. Weight gain 164 grams so the ready to drive weight from the photo in post #1 is now 26.836 kg*. (y) Because the GoCycle is a folding tyre I will carry a spare one because finding decent non BMX 20" tyres in bike shops or Decathlons along my route is improbable to say the least.

While the wheel was off I took a photo:

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As you can see I have closed the bottom of the wheel well a little. The black mark is the result of turning circle testing, at 8 metres you draw lines on the plywood :giggle: I would estimate the new turning circle with the GoCycle to be slightly larger because their 50 mm is a bit bigger than the CCU 50 mm. there must be different size mm measuring devices in different factories? :unsure:

I haven't decided if I leave it natural epoxy covered ply or I add a coat of under body protection from the auto world.

I have the magical brake wire stopper from @Gear7Lover, worth every cent!

Yes my Sigma is wired this time. The wireless Sigma loses signal as soon as there is any kind of electro magnetic disturbance in the air. Probably not life changing but it means you don't have to stop to check if the magnet has fallen off as I did several times in Agilo. So quite annoying to say the least.

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To pass the Sigma receiver the hole needs to be about the size of a wine bottle cork. Et voila! Wine bottle cork grommets for the Sigma and also the headlight cables. They will be held in place with some silicone.

Here you have a good idea of the front luggage compartments, my tent (980 grams) goes in this side and the spare tyre, tubes and tools on the left hand side. The velcro attached rear part of the windscreen opens to give easy access to luggage and to stop people stealing stuff I have added a 3 mm screw with a thumb nut which has to be removed from the inside before opening is possible.

The epoxy stain is the repair I have already made before even driving! When I got Covid-19 (2nd time) in July I passed out when closing the roller blind in the workshop/living room. I fell to the floor of course, and on the way down knocked the body off the Workmate it was sitting on and it fell on the corner of the other Workmate punching a huge hole in the plywood... On the outside the repair is of course invisible thanks to body filler.

I still need to fit the rotating plate to direct the air flow from the 50 x 50 tube.

I hope those who asked for photos are happy today ;)

* There is a typo I meant to write 27 kg.
 
Mhmm, these Struts can be equipped with Eleastomeres as well. More comfortable in the Evo-R, and also more lightweight than the steel springs. Would lower the weight of Your VM by many, many micrograms.

BTW: let me appretiate Your good work!
 
I am waiting on an answer from @Lutz/Co for the elastomeres ;)

I think the tyres and the elastomeres will mean minus about a quarter of a kg together. I have also ordered new steering plates with a passage for the brake cable, no expenses are being spared but that will be the end of the buying period. :giggle:

My goal is a total rolling weight of 120 kg or less, a 25-30 kg difference with 2023. :eek: During my first short drives the weight was around 100 kg and despite no assistance and no aerodynamics the speed was the same or faster than the Agilo up 3% gradients so I am really looking forwards to real road testing with a windscreen and the bottom closed. Maybe even with wheel disks glued on now that I know I can take the tyres off :giggle:
 
Because I am concentrating on the travel aspect not the build, do you want me to move the thread under a new title and do the travel report later?

I am trying to highlight the differences between my last trip and the future one, some technical differences between the two vehicles need to be shown? Pure HPV vs pedelec for example, weight is the keyword there.

Please do what is best.
 
This post is about long distance driving comfort, it can apply to any type of VM not just mine.

In 2023 I was equipped with a standard Quest tiller modified to have independent brake levers. Heavy VMs are a bit of a beast to stop at times and I did not get on well with the stock brake lever on my first longer trip. Before the last downhill I actually stopped to readjust the brakes... On the road I was often driving one handed with the other arm relaxing by my side. It was often the right hand on the tiller so that I could change gears on the Rohloff when needed.

Along came the adjustable CF tiller for the Evo-R, I had to have one of those :giggle:

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- I have cut about 15 mm from each end I think, total width 390 mm
- a large tiller means small movements are not transmitted to the wheels
- my elbows are completely down by my sides, the comfort for someone with breathing problems is extremely good
- I think that my tiller is about 15 mm longer than the Quest tiller. That sounds ridiculously small but in everyday life those are the mm that count!
- I can turn to hard lock with one hand
- the brakes can be adjusted properly at the lever.

Last time my electrics were too complicated so I have simplified by buying the b+m horn and headlight. The 2 wires (which will be taped down of course) are soldered to Julet plugs, the high beam switch to one and the horn and indicators to another. This means I can remove the tiller if I need to in the future, the electrics just unplug and just 2 x 6 strand cables run down the inside of the tiller. The original indicator switches were for the V-box so because I don't have/need one of those I got some locking switches from my favorite Ali. The first try, 0.72€ a piece failed before even being used, the buttons fell off. The second black ones here cost 2.72€ and are of much better quality. There is no brake light switch, I have mounted a BREX tail light from b+m. We will see how that works out in the future.

Velcro strip handbrake and front derailleur switch on the down tube. There is room for a bell and also for the thumb accelerator for a BBS0x motor if and when I mount one.

The thin black vertical wire is a recycled brake wire which goes through the mast. I use a plastic clip from Ikea on that wire to hold the tiller up when parking.

So far this tiller setup is completely satisfying.
 
- a large tiller means small movements are not transmitted to the wheels
Indeed. That's why i am usually holding my tiller at the shifting levers mounted into the ends of the quest tiller.

The only disadvantage of Your solution is the weight of the two brake levers which i find really noticeable. But setting up a tiller with the lightweight levers is a lot more tricky in detail as they are much more sensitive to the way the brake cables are positioned - i still have problems with a weak right brake (which i must have had with the original brake lever as well).
 
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