Katanga VM45/Velion

[Wikinger]

Das Katanga VM45 heißt jetzt Velion. Neue Infos gibt es hier: https://velion.odoo.com/

 

[Marc]

Interventions | Velion

velion.odoo.com

In a second phase, new front struts will be developed and tested, allowing the VELION to be equipped with hub motors and disc brakes in both front wheels. As such the VELION becomes a 4WD with only the human power transferred on the rear axle. This solution allows reverse drive and regenerative braking. Sales of this type can start up end of 2024 with an expected sales price of 12 900 EUR (incl. 21% VAT, EXW, without motor and battery).

Winter-VM-Moped mit 4WD!

 

[HenriP]

Namen und eigene Webseite? Gute Zeichen, dass es wirklich passiert.

 

[Solarfreak]

Das Gewicht wird jetzt mit 79 kg inkl. Akku angegeben, der Preis mit 12.900 € ohne Motor, lieferbar Mitte 2024.
Die 45 km/h Version soll 2025 kommen

 

[Wikinger]

Ich habe die Preisdiskussion hier gelöscht. Die ploppt mit schöner Regelmäßigkeit auf, führt zu nix und man muss dann mühsam nach den relevanten Informationen zum Fahrzeug suchen. Also lasst es ...

 

[TimonG]

Edit: Beitrag von @Wikinger erst nach dem Posten gesehen. Daher Beitrag gelöscht.

Wenn das Velion innen anständig fabriziert wird und nicht nach Bastelbude (wie die Leiba) ausschaut, würde das meine Bereitschaft Geld für ein neues 45er VM hinzulegen deutlich erhöhen..

 

[bumfidel]

Das Gewicht wird jetzt mit 79 kg inkl. Akku angegeben, der Preis mit 12.900 € ohne Motor, lieferbar Mitte 2024.
Die 45 km/h Version soll 2025 kommen

Dann diskussionsfrei: Den Preis mit Motor hast Du nicht genannt, weil Du ihn nicht nicht weißt?

 

[Marc]

Dann diskussionsfrei: Den Preis mit Motor hast Du nicht genannt, weil Du ihn nicht nicht weißt?

Aus dem Link weiter oben (wieso klickt eigentlich niemand auf die Links? Habt ihr Angst euch nen Virus einzufangen, oder wie? )

Interventions | Velion

velion.odoo.com

Experience after test-rides have led to some changes from the initial design. These are now under development: A racing type bucket seat to stabilize the driver in sharp turns, an hydraulic arm to open the cover, locks with keys, etc. A major change is to step away from an unique set-up with the VALEO Mid-drive unit as integrated gearbox/motor. Alternatives motors mounts are now developed and produced in combination with a Rohloff gearbox. Durability tests will be done with all alternative motors and only after being sure that the correct design is found, the homologation process for certification of the VELION in the L6e-A of the Eu regulation 168/2013 will start. This certification is needed to sell the VELION with e-assist till 45 km/h and with powerful motors exceeding 250 W nominal.

But before that, due to strong interest from the market, the VELION will be offered as a bicycle without a motor for DIYers who wish to mount themselves a motor. In a first phase the VELION will be able to receive a powerful Mid-drive motor. Power of legs and motor are both transferred to the rear axle. This is a simple, cheap and good solution for most terrains except for roads with steep and long descends as this motorisation does not allow regenerative braking. Also reverse drive is not possible with this solution. Sales of this type can start up in summer 2024 with an expected sales price 12 600 EUR (incl. 21% VAT, EXW, without motor and battery).

In a second phase, new front struts will be developed and tested, allowing the VELION to be equipped with hub motors and disc brakes in both front wheels. As such the VELION becomes a 4WD with only the human power transferred on the rear axle. This solution allows reverse drive and regenerative braking. Sales of this type can start up end of 2024 with an expected sales price of 12 900 EUR (incl. 21% VAT, EXW, without motor and battery).

The sales of a ready-to-go type approved version road-legal with e-assist till 45 km/h is a goal to reach in year 2025.

 

[bumfidel]

DEN Link im Link hatte ich tatsächlich übersehen.

 

[düssel]

Wenn das Velion innen anständig fabriziert wird

Würde ich bei Katanga drauf wetten!

 

[anotherkiwi]

From the link above (why doesn't anyone click on the links? Are you afraid of catching a virus or what? )

Interventions | Velion

velion.odoo.com

I wanted to talk with Justin about the Velion (fur on tongue phhthht... ) and his single side motor. But he was busy.

 

[Marc]

I wanted to talk with Justin about the Velion (fur on tongue phhthht... ) and his single side motor. But he was busy.

I had the same idea. Two All-Axle hub motors with regen brake at the front and a human drive train to the rear wheels seems like obvious choice for that vehicle. Velion 4WD!

 

[anotherkiwi]

Well... a 45 km/h doesn't need pedals in France so I was more thinking a thumb accelerator so front wheel drive

With eventual 4WD of course!

 

[TimonG]

Katanga is still investigating which motor is the best. Seems like they are open to suggestions...

 

[anotherkiwi]

The new 3x3 gearbox which is mentioned elsewhere is given for 250Nm torque. In such a vehicle 24% jumps are not so much of a problem so a 1kW Bafang with a very large 52v battery would work quite well. For the DIY enthusiast at least, Katanga need a serous solution for L6e homologation.

 

[Marc]

Well... a 45 km/h doesn't need pedals in France so I was more thinking a thumb accelerator so front wheel drive

With eventual 4WD of course!

In that case:
Ditch the human power train altogether, put in a second seat at the rear, a steering wheel for the driver, use four All-Axle hub motors, a removable 4-6kWh battery (trolly size with wheels) and make it the most aerodynamic efficient 4WD Kei-Car on the market. That'll raise some eyebrows!